When the speaker reached the phrase, "No self. No other," Layman Pang called out, "Speaker! If there is no self and no other, then who is lecturing and who's listening to it?"
The speaker was dumbstruck.
Layman Pang said, "I'm just a common person, but I'll offer you my crude understanding."
The speaker said, "What is the layman's idea?"
Layman Pang answered with this verse:
No self, no other,
Then how could there be intimate and estranged?
I advise you to cease all your lectures.
They can't compare with directly seeking truth.
The Diamond Wisdom nature
Erases even a speck of dust.
"Thus I have heard," and "Thus I believe,"
Are but so many words.
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